Laser 28 Wanted
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Topic: Laser 28 Wanted
Posted By: Vance Newell
Subject: Laser 28 Wanted
Date Posted: 24 April 2015 at 5:17pm
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I am looking to buy a Laser 28. Preferably from somewhere in the western US. Any boats out there officially or unofficially for sale??? Thanks! Vance
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Posted By: silversailor
Date Posted: 24 April 2015 at 9:22pm
| There's a 1985 L28 for sale in New Buffalo, MI. Purchased new by current owner. Cruised, not raced. Original sails. Needs lots of work. Not well maintained. On cradle which owner has transported on flatbed trailer (not included). Owner believes it's hull #72. It's sail #171. Owner believes that sail #s began at 100 for hull #1. Asking $18.5K US. If interested, send me a PM and I'll provide contact info for owner. |
Posted By: frfletch
Date Posted: 25 April 2015 at 12:46am
| We know of a boat for sail in Vancouver, BC (West Coast). I am familiar with that boat and can relate that it is in excellent condition with full suit of race able sales, though not new. It is hull #242 so it is is actually the 142nd boat built out of 143. All new hi-tech running rigging, etc, and interior is in great shape. Owner wants a larger boat for wife and family. If interested I can put you in touch with owner. No trailer with this one, but everything else is good. Not sure the price, but guessing around $22,000. |
Posted By: Winner
Date Posted: 25 April 2015 at 8:17am
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The hull number is located on the starboard side of the transom. It's the last three digits I believe. Hull #1 was listed as 100 and as Frank states, there were 143 boats so #243 is the last. ------------- Chris Eclipse #240 Thunder Bay, ON |
Posted By: silversailor
Date Posted: 25 April 2015 at 8:34am
| If sail number 100 was hull number 1 than sail number 101 was hull 2. So sail 242 was hull 143. Right? |
Posted By: Simon Gregoire
Date Posted: 25 April 2015 at 9:17am
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All numbers, sail and hull, start at 100, so 242 would have been the 143rd boat built, but it would still show 242 in the serial number marked on the starboard side of its transom. Everyone carries sail numbers that correspond to the number marked on the hull. Simon Colibri 224
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Posted By: Winner
Date Posted: 25 April 2015 at 10:39am
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ah yes Simon is correct. Hull 243 is the last so that's 144 boats built. ------------- Chris Eclipse #240 Thunder Bay, ON |
Posted By: Vance Newell
Date Posted: 25 April 2015 at 11:07am
| I've gone back and forth with the owner on the New Buffalo boat but the cost of travel, transport and updating make it cost prohibitive for me. There is definitely an appeal to a fresh water only, never race stressed boat though. |
Posted By: Vance Newell
Date Posted: 25 April 2015 at 11:14am
This is the most promising lead I have seen. I would love to get more information - photos, sail inventory, equipment, rigging and engine details, any condition issues, etc... I am on the central coast of California, so it's not exactly nearby, but much more manageable than the east coast or even midwest. Thanks!
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frfletch wrote:Posted By: frfletch
Date Posted: 25 April 2015 at 11:56am
| I will call him today and find out the latest. Once I confirm that he still wants to sell this boat, I will put you in touch. By-the-way, this was a fresh water boat for almost its entire life coming from Ontario. The previous owner brought it to Vancouver, put it in the water for six months, and was not sufficiently careful with either managing his electricity, or changing the anode and the sail drive leg got a few cavities in it. I purchased the boat on behalf of someone else, fixed the leg, which was very minor compared to others I have done, and the owner I bought it for fixed up the boat, changed the rigging, and re-did the deck with Kiwi-grip. He then sold it on to the guy who now wants a larger boat. Name of boat is Grey Eric. We race against her occasionally, but I have not been on her since I first picked up the boat a couple of years ago, but I remember all the downstairs cushions and woodwork were in excellent condition. |
Posted By: silversailor
Date Posted: 25 April 2015 at 12:01pm
| Vance, you made the right decision regarding the New Buffalo boat. I was aboard last week and dismayed at the lack of maintainance. Surprising since the owner said he was an engineer. I "guestimatted" $20-25K to put in shape with new sails. |
Posted By: frfletch
Date Posted: 25 April 2015 at 12:15pm
| Besides the money there is also the time! OMG the hours! I have put literally thousands of hours into Voila and I'm able to do it because I have the skill sets. However if one had to commit these old boats to a boatyard to get the things done to make it one's dream boat, at boat yard rates it would be in the 10's of thousands. Then I wonder what might have happened if I spent all those hours focused on gaining revenue instead of breaking my back. But working on these boats is so much fun, a don't dwell very long on the process. It is a labor of love issue. |
Posted By: Kentbrownlow
Date Posted: 26 April 2015 at 2:11am
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Hi Vance, I am the owner of Grey Erik #242. It is currently in the water in West Vancouver, BC. PM me with your email address and I can send you details about the boat. Kent
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Posted By: Mike V
Date Posted: 26 April 2015 at 7:22am
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http://www.sailboatforsale.info/898469/laser-28-sailboat-bonsall-12000/ Found this one this morning. It looks like it has had the keel modified with a bulb attached to it.
------------- Sparkplug Hull #182 NYC |
Posted By: Bill Layton
Date Posted: 26 April 2015 at 8:31am
FYI, the first boat was #101 
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Posted By: Winner
Date Posted: 26 April 2015 at 9:11am
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Ha so I was was right (kinda) that there's 143 boats. 12k with trailer? Price competitive, depending on condition. Can't say I've ever seen a L28 with davits and a dodger before!
------------- Chris Eclipse #240 Thunder Bay, ON |
Posted By: Vance Newell
Date Posted: 26 April 2015 at 11:07am
Thanks! That confirms the gut feeling in had on that one. Glad I saved the airfare!
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Posted By: Vance Newell
Date Posted: 26 April 2015 at 11:09am
Thank you Mike! I think this boat was for sale a couple years ago. I thought it had left the area. I reached out to the owner, hope to hear back soon. Photos look promising (might have to fix the keel though). Thanks agian!
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Posted By: frfletch
Date Posted: 26 April 2015 at 12:20pm
| Yes, this boat was for sail. I had a friend here in Vancouver who was interested and went down to have a look. He became a little discouraged because of all the things he would have to undo to make it a proper Laser again and was not up for the project, so gave up on it. It still seems to represent great value for someone who wants a boat to cruise with, or who has the time to get to work on her. |
Posted By: Winner
Date Posted: 26 April 2015 at 10:36pm
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Correction: Hull ID is in the middle of the number on the transom, not at the end. For example mine reads: ZIDX0240F787 so the 240 in the middle is the hull number. ------------- Chris Eclipse #240 Thunder Bay, ON |
Posted By: Vance Newell
Date Posted: 28 April 2015 at 5:11pm
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I am going to look at the San Diego boat today. Any quick pointers on specifics I should be aware of? Things to check or look for?
Thanks!! |
Posted By: Bill Layton
Date Posted: 28 April 2015 at 5:37pm
| The owner of that boat was John Shumaker and he was a close friend of Bruce farr...in fact they were neighbors in Annapolis. So the 400 Lb bulb that was added was all designed by Bruce. I spoke with him thru the job and they restructured the hull fibreglass to accomodate the added loads again designed by bruce. I believe John has passed by now and his son is trying to sell the boat. It would make a great boat but obviously it would require a keel change to class race. |
Posted By: Vance Newell
Date Posted: 28 April 2015 at 6:12pm
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Thanks Bill! That was definitely a concern as far as whether the boat could handle the extra weight down there. I saw also in the forum that there had been some hull repairs done (searched the boat name) and was wondering if that was related. Not too concerned with class racing as there are only a couple of Lasers I can locate here in California. I think the boat sold a couple of years ago but not completely sure. I know it was listed.
PS. Love this forum. So much great information! |
Posted By: fatjohnz
Date Posted: 28 April 2015 at 7:10pm
| Having said that Bruce designed the bulb, I would not suggest that the boat return to class. It looks pretty slick as-is. sj |
Posted By: frfletch
Date Posted: 28 April 2015 at 7:25pm
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Below is an extract we received when the boat was looked at by Chris Wilson from Vancouver. I also have a couple of photos of the repair, but they don't show much. See below:
An update on Zapatero's repair: Once hauled, we found there were no cracks in the hull laminate, just in some fairing putty and the bottom paint. [We actually drilled some cores through the cracks to make sure (added comment)] The structural grid had become disbonded from the hull for a distance of about 1 foot, either side of the sump. The sump remained bonded and there were cracks that went completely through the grid laminate with a length of an inch or two at the junction between the sump and the transverse beams (floors). We repaired as follows: Cut out the structural grid for a total width of about 5 feet and for a distance about 6 inches beyond the front and back ends of the keel sump. Ground out the grid laminate from the sump. Added 1.5 oz mat, 24 oz woven roving (WR), mat, WR, then two layers of 8.6 oz unidirectional (uni) to the hull, including the sump. All were laminated with epoxy laminating resin. WR and uni were S-glass. Unis were run in the athwartships direction. Built floors from 2x douglas fir. laminated mat, WR, and Unis over the dougla s fir floors, using approximately the same schedule as for the hull, above. Laminations extended across the entire area of the hull laminated above. reinstalled the original structural grid over the new laminated grid. The old grid was tab- laminated onto the hull with mat, WR and epoxy. cut joints in the old grid were ground out and taper-laminated with mat, WR and polyeste r resin, since the old grid was polyester. Furniture is now being put back in the boat.” Note that after the old grid was cut out, we added a considerable laminate schedule to that entire area of the inside skin of the hull. I remember that the worker that did all the laminating work was very skilled, but understood little about engineering stresses and strains. I originally had designed the floors to be replaced with the same shape, with PVC foam to serve as molds for the laminate. He wasn’t happy until I redesigned it with Douglas fir molds at his suggestion. He was satisfied with the “stronger” Douglas fir. I knew that the core material was inconsequential in this particular design. Since we used narrower 2x lumber, the old floors fit neatly over the top when it was finished (see below). I visited the yard at Oceanside regularly during the repair to observe and discuss the progress with their laminating expert. Note also that there is no mention of the number of Douglas fir floor molds added. 2x refers to the type of lumber, as in 2x6. One was added at the location of each of the removed floors from the original grid. Additionally, I added a Douglas fir mold in the fore ‐ aft direction to tie in the ends of the new floors to each other. This served to spread out the load from the ends of the floors to avoid hard spots or stress risers in the hull. Note that the lamination over the Douglass fir floor molds extended across that entire area, including the hull inner skin. We tapered out the edges to avoid any hard spots or stress risers. Note that the old grid was replaced and the cut joints were ground out (with a taper) and the taper laminated, in order to restore the full strength across the joint. I would argue that the replaced original grid is as strong as it should have been originally, but has a very strong, fully ‐ laminated to the hull (not glued) floor system underneath. I’m glad I posted that. It served as a good reminder of what we had done 7+ years ago! |
Posted By: Bill Layton
Date Posted: 28 April 2015 at 8:16pm
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Here's a post from the owner describing repairs before they did the bulb job http://www.laser28.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=108 - http://www.laser28.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=108 I remember discussing with John why he was going to add a bulb. He loved the boat and wanted to make it easier to sail for him and his wife. They were getting on and still loved sailing but the boat was really too tender for them at that age. So they called up Bruce farr and Bruce agreed the boat could handle it easily. Hence how it all happened. |
Posted By: Vance Newell
Date Posted: 26 July 2015 at 11:25pm
| Update - I picked up Zapatero yesterday and she is now in the boatyard awaiting bottom paint, rigging and some other minor work. Overall she is in dusty but in great condition and hope to be on the water in a week or so. |
Posted By: fatjohnz
Date Posted: 27 July 2015 at 9:12am
| Congratulations Vance! |