Extended Pole Really Necessary For PHRF Racing.

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   Hi Everyone,
As I renew my PHRF certificate for 2021, I started thinking about the 6 second per mile penalty for my extended pole.

It is my understanding that the OD spinnaker is a standard size and it is just the pole that is extended.    We sail mostly windward / lewards here in New England (at least at regattas).   There is obviously some point to point racing that goes on.   But I question whether it is really worth 6 seconds a mile to just have a longer pole.

Does anyone have any experience with a standard length pole?   I am considering building a carbon pole and I wonder why I shouldn't just build it to standard length and get my 6 seconds.

Thanks.

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Jamie Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Crew Joined: 06 June 2018 Status: Offline Points: 48	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jamie Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Extended Pole Really Necessary For PHRF Racing. Posted: 08 January 2021 at 8:18am
	Hi Everyone, As I renew my PHRF certificate for 2021, I started thinking about the 6 second per mile penalty for my extended pole. It is my understanding that the OD spinnaker is a standard size and it is just the pole that is extended. We sail mostly windward / lewards here in New England (at least at regattas). There is obviously some point to point racing that goes on. But I question whether it is really worth 6 seconds a mile to just have a longer pole. Does anyone have any experience with a standard length pole? I am considering building a carbon pole and I wonder why I shouldn't just build it to standard length and get my 6 seconds. Thanks.

Ron Waterson Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commodore Joined: 21 October 2014 Location: Rivals, KY Status: Offline Points: 118	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ron Waterson Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 January 2021 at 11:59am
	If the length of my pole came up locally, I would argue that the 11.32 (longer pole) is raced as one design. Realizing the counter point is its longer than J. But if the boat is sailed in OD configuration with the 11.32 pole, isn't that the standard for the decision? I believe Laser 28 OD racing all use the longer pole, but someone correct me if I am wrong. I have an ancient spinnaker that I believe is the original for the boat. I suspect it was designed for the shorter pole. There is definitely a difference in sail area between the original and my contemporary spinnakers which were designed to fly with the longer pole. I wouldn't give up the sail area DW for 6 seconds a mile. In my opinion, our boat does its best work in phrf downwind.
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Comet Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Crew Joined: 21 August 2018 Status: Offline Points: 25	Post Options Post Reply Quote Comet Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 May 2021 at 10:26am
	@Jamie - what did ever happen with the PHRF certificate? I was about to renew mine and this thread crossed my mind.

Jamie Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Crew Joined: 06 June 2018 Status: Offline Points: 48	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jamie Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 August 2021 at 12:51pm
	Sorry for the late reply. I just renewed my certificate as is...with the penalty pole. I am going to measure my spin in the offseason and if it IS, infact, standard size, then I am going to shorten my pole and get the 6 seconds.

John Mills Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commodore Joined: 01 February 2016 Status: Offline Points: 122	Post Options Post Reply Quote John Mills Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 September 2021 at 11:25am
	The class spin is PHRF legal and not oversize but the pole is . You could, and some have , get an oversize spin to match the pole no hit I am told because you already take a hit for the pole (confirm with local PHRF). Near as I can tell the way the boat came is the best . Those guys knew what they were doing . The longer pole gets the chute out from behind the main and the bigger chute tends to collapse in the middle . The class stuff works great .
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