folding prop

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   File this under "silly questions" but I just want to be sure.
I've been told to get the prop to fold, to place the engine in gear and move the handle forward while under sail.  

Assuming this is correct, if the engine is in gear and forward when I turn it off (after hoisting sails) can I just leave it there and the prop will fold automatically?

Thanks.

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Winner Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commodore Joined: 07 September 2011 Status: Offline Points: 222	Post Options Post Reply Quote Winner Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: folding prop Posted: 27 May 2013 at 12:48pm
	File this under "silly questions" but I just want to be sure. I've been told to get the prop to fold, to place the engine in gear and move the handle forward while under sail. Assuming this is correct, if the engine is in gear and forward when I turn it off (after hoisting sails) can I just leave it there and the prop will fold automatically? Thanks.
	Chris Eclipse #240 Thunder Bay, ON

Bill Layton Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commodore Joined: 15 September 2002 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 551	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bill Layton Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 May 2013 at 1:41pm
	Yes, It just has to be in gear.... any gear. All the way fwd implies full throttle, which is well past being in gear. Since we are only supposed shift it into gear with the engine running at idle, I leave mine in fwd idle position and turn it off in gear and then after sailing I start it in gear. (in the same position) The reason for all of this is it is a direct drive transmission, same as an outboard. When shifting from neutral into gear you are supposed to do it firmly and quickly. If you hear the gears grind you are going too slowly. Remember you shift from neutral into the desired gears idle position. Never shift the transmission while not at idle or you will break gears and those parts are no longer available and must get repaired at great cost. Edited by Bill Layton - 27 May 2013 at 1:45pm

Winner Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commodore Joined: 07 September 2011 Status: Offline Points: 222	Post Options Post Reply Quote Winner Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 May 2013 at 2:23pm
	OK so basically leave it in gear (red button pushed in) in idle so one click forward from the upright position? I find the handle gets knocked around by the jib crew during races so I always check it's position before starting the engine.
	Chris Eclipse #240 Thunder Bay, ON

Bill Layton Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commodore Joined: 15 September 2002 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 551	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bill Layton Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 May 2013 at 2:27pm
	Correct button pushed in... when button is pulled out the lever acts only as a throttle. Also the handle with red knob gets pulled out for sailing, it's removeable.

Winner Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commodore Joined: 07 September 2011 Status: Offline Points: 222	Post Options Post Reply Quote Winner Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 May 2013 at 3:28pm
	Hilarious. I didn't know that. Do you just unscrew it?
	Chris Eclipse #240 Thunder Bay, ON

Bill Layton Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commodore Joined: 15 September 2002 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 551	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bill Layton Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 May 2013 at 3:44pm
	Just pull on it!

bal149 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Skipper Joined: 14 August 2010 Location: canada Status: Offline Points: 67	Post Options Post Reply Quote bal149 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 May 2013 at 11:08pm
	my throttle has gotten a bit funky- I must unscrew the gear engagement knob to get the throttle to move forward-any ideas?

frfletch Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commodore Joined: 13 May 2008 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 365	Post Options Post Reply Quote frfletch Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 May 2013 at 12:31am
	Sounds strange. The gear engagement knob is not threaded. It just pulls out, so there is no relationship to screwing it. Your problem must be in the linkage which is not complicated. It is mostly visible both inside the starboard quarter birth where the linkage directly from the shifting lever is located, and via the sliding inspection hatch on the engine cover on the starboard side. Additionally, that entire piece of ply is easily removed to work on things in there. It is important that you are betting full throw in the shifting, which is easy to see down there. You will need someone in the cockpit moving the shifting lever while your below inspecting what actions are taking place. The actual linkage that comes up from the sail drive is ch and then you can activate the shifting directly from the sail drive by hand to see how far it travels when it engages. Your linkage must assure that it goes all the way.

Bill Layton Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commodore Joined: 15 September 2002 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 551	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bill Layton Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 May 2013 at 1:00pm
	I had a similar problem. The pull button disengages the shifter and keeps it in throttle mode. But somehow the button was sitting in a position 1/2 out and it would cause the shifter to jam or not function. I had to change the shifter. I learned that if I pushed the button in while trying to shift gears it would work. If yours won't do this it may be too late. Unfortunately these shifters are no longer made and the best replacement would probably be the spinlock shifter that has the removable handle.

khardy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commodore Joined: 22 June 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 132	Post Options Post Reply Quote khardy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 May 2013 at 3:25pm
	Make sure the button is screwed in all the way. It's pretty easy to unscrew and I don't think it works unscrewed.

Seawolf Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commodore Joined: 15 March 2012 Location: missoula Status: Offline Points: 118	Post Options Post Reply Quote Seawolf Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 July 2016 at 8:27am
	Today our throttle handle went AWOL. Can't figure out when and how. So now I must either find a replacement or fabricate a new one. Any suggestions?

frfletch Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commodore Joined: 13 May 2008 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 365	Post Options Post Reply Quote frfletch Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 July 2016 at 9:58am
	What a weird thing to disappear. A couple of years ago War Bird parked on the handstand next to Voila experienced the disappearance of her bottle (barrel) screw at the bottom of her forestry. I guess that for some people, the materials and parts acquisition side of the project is just a simple matter of strolling through the club and spotting the items necessary. Weird!

Bill Layton Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commodore Joined: 15 September 2002 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 551	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bill Layton Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 July 2016 at 10:31am
	Actually the throttle handle disappearing is quite common. It's meant to be removed when sailing for this very reason. The Handle just snaps in place.... so when sailing if not removed, the mainsheet wraps around the knob and it pulls it out and it goes flying over the side without ever seeing it. When sailing the shifter is meant to be left in gear with the handle pulled out. (removed) Edited by Bill Layton - 24 July 2016 at 10:32am

fatjohnz Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commodore Joined: 05 August 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 296	Post Options Post Reply Quote fatjohnz Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 July 2016 at 7:34am
	We use an eye bolt now. js

Winner Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commodore Joined: 07 September 2011 Status: Offline Points: 222	Post Options Post Reply Quote Winner Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 July 2016 at 10:06am
	Should be a simple thing to machine another from stainless rod stock. I'm happy to send you mine at the end of the season to use as a template if you wish.
	Chris Eclipse #240 Thunder Bay, ON